Brawl involving rival motorcycle groups led to a shooting that left two men dead at a Sunnyslope convenience store, according to police who released the victims' names Thursday. Investigators described the unidentified groups as gangs, although others suggested they were unlike outlaw groups commonly tied to biker violence.
Some police described the groups as substance-free organizations purportedly geared toward recovering addicts looking to ride with other sober motorcycle enthusiasts. John Lindenman, 43, and Bradley Lutzo, 45, suffered fatal gunshot wounds during an 11 p.m. brawl in a QuikTrip parking lot on Tuesday. No arrests have been made, and the deaths are under investigation, according to police.
Neither Lindenman or Lutzo had criminal records in Arizona.Phoenix Detective Cindy Scott said the department will not release the names of the groups, citing its policy on withholding the identifications of documented criminal street gangs.
Thursday, 19 February 2009
John Lindenman, 43, and Bradley Lutzo, 45, suffered fatal gunshot wounds during an 11 p.m. brawl in a QuikTrip parking lot on Tuesday.
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I agree with your frustration at this mesrepresentation. I was at one time associated with the same group that John was a very prominent member of and it is in no way a gang. He is one of the best people that I have ever known and my feelings of sadness for his family and his wife are indescribeable. His murder was senseless and ridiculous. The people who did this have no idea what they took away. I am so sorry for your loss.
AS A FRIEND OF BOTH THE VICTIMS.. U GO MY 3 SONS!! UNARMED MEN WORKING HARD AND SUCCESFULY IN A PROGRAM OF HONESTY! 100% CLEAN AND SOBER FOR MANY 24 HOURS BETWEEN THEM. IF ANYONE EVER NEEDED HELP THESE TWO WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TO HELP A BROTHER OR A SISTER!! ANY HOUR OF THE DAY. RIDE ON BROTHERS
unarmed my ass, they both cary guns and knives.
boys from the midwest just couldnt back there talk.
John was a wonderful man, and a great mentor to people in recovery. He and his wonderful wife are the most loving, caring, honorable people I know. To speak unkindly of him is simply uncalled for. When did riding with your brothers and celebrating recovery become so violent. At what point do adult men stop being able to work out their differences without resorting to this kind of violence. Shame on the people that made the chioce to take these lives. My your families never have to feel the pain that these two families are feeling now. Rest in peace John & Brad, knowing that you made such a wonderful impact on those who called you friend.
apparently onroad didn't know Brad.
they must have been backing it up pretty good if u had to shoot them.
what a stud!
booohoooo
about time u shut up. he got what he deserved playin billy badass biker wanabe.
just as i thought your all talk just like your nephew. at least you know when to shut your piehole.
as usual ... it's the people with the biggest mouths and bad attitudes that run off the good folk. You win onroad, here's a dime ... go call some one who cares
you see here my3sons nobody seems to give a shit what you say.
onroad..i can't wait to read your obituary in the paper...nobody will care! You gotta be a pussy to talk shit about a dead man!! My uncle was brad and you wana sit here and talk shit about somebody who isn't even here... you couldn't talk shit when they were alive because they would have SLAUGHTERED YOU!!! so if it makes you feel better to talk about people who aren't here to stand up for themselves, and then smash the people who try to defend them since they're gone, so be it. You rot in hell bastard!!
oh thats smooth jackass
talk like that is how your uncle got shot smart ass.
and by the way a.r.m. couldnt slaughter a fly!!!!
Yeah dipshit... i guess it runs in the family. Shoot me then tough guy
let me be like onroad and have to make 3 comments because i couldn't think of what to say the first time!!!!
you sound like a punk ass bitch like brad.
I'm sure it wasn't INTENDED for dumb asses like you to TRY and talk shit.
And somebody has already commented on how intelligent you sound.... but lozer....? a loser that can't spell loser.. hmmm look at that
dont hav 2 know how to spell 2 take care of buis. jackass. im not dumb enough to get shot. your fag uncle was>
thanx veggiefairie... i just couldn't sit there and not say anything.. I am done however. There are just some damn ingnorant people in the world. And it's sad. He probably doesn't know either one of them and is just out there to make a fucking scene. I got out what i needed to get out and I am done. Thank you
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